What's the biggest lie you've ever been told? Chances are you don't know the answer. That's a heartwarming thought, isn't it?
Oh, you can probably think of some whoppers that have come your way, but the biggest lies, the ones that could devastate our very souls, often go unspoken, undiscovered. The perpetrators are either skilled story tellers or masters of evasiveness - lies of omission - sometimes both.
Studies say that up to 25% of all people are sociopaths - people with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial behavior and a lack of conscience. I'm betting that the biggest, most compulsive liars fall into this category. I'll bet you know and have identified some of the sociopaths that have come your way.
Those of us who have friends and/or family with addiction problems have had a good deal of experience dealing with liars.
My latest personal experience with a compulsive liar had me overlooking things and making excuses for a long-time gambling addicted friend who I'd had no idea had any kind of addiction problem. Shoot, I'd never even known a gambling addict before, so to say it was the furthest thing from my mind is no exaggeration.
It was devastating to learn she'd broken trust. And I was furious when I looked back over our friendship and began to see how often she'd lied to my face. It had been more times than I could count...and those were just the times I could identify in retrospect.
So, what did I do in that circumstance? Me, the person who raised her children with this as advice: "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." I forgave her. I asked her not to ask me for any more money, ever. I told her I didn't want to know anything about her finances. I 'edited' our friendship and we moved forward. (Let me say it for you, "Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!")
Prior to this BFL (Big Freaking Liar) incident, Stu, Shirley and I had given her a car... this person who had always driven cars that barely and/or rarely ran. And it was a really nice car - only a couple of years old, perfect body condition, low mileage...
Back at the time my friend and I had decided to move forward with our 'edited' friendship, I'd made one single request. I'd said, "Please give me your word that you will never take a title loan on your car without first coming to Stu and me." She'd looked me straight in the eye and said, "I give you my word. I promise that will never happen." She'd been quite emphatic. I chose to believe her. (Let me say it for you, "Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!")
This time around, I knew with her first breath that she was lying to me. When I called her on it, she kept right on lying, changing the way she presented the story to me a little each time she told it.
You've probably guessed that she'd taken a title loan on her car. The 'shop' was holding the car until she paid the loan back.
The web she wove was, indeed, incredibly tangled. Yet, she insisted that it was all okay because she was going to get the car back. Um, HELLO, it wasn't about the car being gone for me. HELLO, HELLO BF liar, you are compulsively lying to me and doing it about something which you gave me your word you. wouldn't. do.
I was an unbelievably poor judge of character - twice - and each time was for an extended period. This actually concerns me because I've always been able to trust my gut.
And the whole scenario has left me gun-shy. Who do I help out? Who do I trust? Who do I befriend? How do I forgive myself for being so clueless? How do I stop kicking myself in my own behind?
I can still feel myself building up cement walls - thick and high. I almost feel like I should hang a sign on my cement walls that says, "No New People".
Have you ever discovered that someone told you a big lie? What did you do? What are some good ways to begin trusting new people as you get to know them?
Thanks for letting me vent. You guys are great therapists!!




Aw geez, that's awful. They say gambling is an addiction and you can't trust an addict. Maybe it would help to look at the terrible behavior as a symptom of the disease. It's pitiable, really, and hurts the addict more than the person in the position of good health and reasoning.
ReplyDeleteThis was a conversation in our house just this past week....it seems that society thinks it is okay and I wonder if we could survey it that lying it on an up swing.
ReplyDeleteSo, so sorry...I know the pain and how all trust is lost.
May your heart be healed and not sealed up...may she also get some help
Hi PJ,
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry that you have had to learn this about a friend. I believe that compulsive, pathological, sociopaths cannot help themselves. Lying becomes second nature and feels comfortable to them. Take for instance an alcoholic who lies and causes pain to their family. She needs some serious theraphy. I'm so sorry for the pain, frustration and anger that she has caused you.
I know that you are always there for those that need help. God bless you for that. She was so fortunate to have you as a friend and now she will pay the consequences.
And yes, it is hard to trust and believe after being so betrayed. Please know that I will be thinking of you dear, sweet friend.
hugs
Sissie
I'm sorry this has happened, PJ. I guess we tend to overlook flaws like this in the people we love. We trust and want to give them the benefit of the doubt. She was lucky to have you as a friend for so long.
ReplyDeleteLike your signature line says, "always looking forward." Hopefully you can put this behind you and look forward.
Take a deep breath...I hear you loud and clear...and I am so sorry this happened to you
ReplyDeleteSo sorry you lost a friend under these circumstances. The person who told me the biggest lie, I divorced! I hate lies.
ReplyDeleteMore than being angry these situations are very painful when someone breaks a trust. You have a tender heart PJ, I'm sorry this happened. I'm trying to decide on what to do with a long term friendship right now, it's not easy.
ReplyDeleteThat is horrible that she took advantage of you like that. At least you know that the poison is gone now for good.
ReplyDeleteI keep money and relationships completely separate. I will never go back on that rule.
Oh, wow. I was feeling this tightness in my chest as I read this. I've had some things like this happen in my life. It is painful and confusing. For us, being NON liars, we don't get it.
ReplyDeleteI have to let you know that one such liar in my life, really did turn things around. But...she won't be borrowing money from me anymore. Ever...but the friendship has been healed somewhat.
Sorry this happened to you PJ, you deserve better.
xoxox
PJ. In defense of your heart's judgement...an addict is really, really good at pulling the wool over your eyes.
ReplyDeleteI really believe there is a kernel of true identity in what we recognize in people like this...but the morals and goodness have been eroded away by the disease.
I know that doesn't make it better, but you can't beat yourself up for not knowing and recognizing.
Hugs and healing.
I think that the population who are true sociopaths is about 1%, actually. I've worked in mental health for a long time, and it's rare that we will see a client who is manifesting true anti-social criteria.
ReplyDeleteA-holes? Yes! Lots of them in society! I can't say I've never lied. But not big ones. I too broke off a friendship after catching her in multiple lies. I sometimes miss her, but I don't regret it.
I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
PJ believe me when I say I know this pain also. My EX lied to me so many times and tried to steal my car and I could go on and on. Just to let you know that addicts (he was bi polar and an alcoholic) are so good at this lying. It hurts like hell and leaving the relationship is often the only choice. Don't give up on trusting but do give it carefully. Glad you could vent this. I know you are really hurting over this. hugs, Linda
ReplyDeleteOh yes. My sister's husband. My sister bought a house for me when I was divorced and I was paying her rent. Then she got cancer. She told her husband that he was to honor the agreement and help me with the things that houses cause in upkeep. He gave her...and me...his word he would. She died....he met somebody else...and sold the house out from under me. Thus, he is a liar and a cheat and a few other things I can still come up with. I know we are supposed to forgive but some things are just too hard. I hope she is aware of what he did and lets him have it when he gets there.
ReplyDeletePj
ReplyDeleteI had an employee whose is addicted to gambling.
My heart goes out to you because this was a very close friend. You have been far more long suffering than anyone would be expected to be. I'm sorry for your heart and believe you were right in ending the relationship.
I pray for your hearts healing.
So sorry this has happened for you. When lies were told to me, I had gut feelings, but I wasn't really in tune and I chose to ignore. I am trying to learn to be more in touch with my intuitions and consult my gut first! It didn't fail me, I just wasn't listening closely. Hugs. Dianne
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry your friend chose her addiction over you. I understand addiction is an illness. I get it. But you have to know she has lost something far more precious - you. Maybe a time will come that she will know that. But, I'm like you... I will give and give until I'm burned and then I am totally done with that person. You don't need that in your life.
ReplyDeleteWhat an awful betrayal, PJ. And you're right, addicts are not trustworthy.
ReplyDeleteI've been burned once or twice myself, and what's happened is that I've become (a) very much a stickler for truth and (b) very careful about whom I choose to trust.
It's sad, but there are a lot of dishonest people in the world. And I think that is becoming more true all the time.
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Forgive yourself first,a kind heart is just that,a kind heart,you've learned a hard lesson
ReplyDeletebut she's the one that loses.
Ohh, that hurts.... bad. Big sigh. It's so difficult to trust after something like this but you have a big heart and I know with time you will. But I'm pretty sure you'll also keep your wallet closed tightly too.
ReplyDeleteSo sorry, PJ. You are such a good person and addiction or not being taken advantage of stinks.
xoxox jj
PJ - It will always be better to be the person who is trusting than one who is always suspicious. I'm sorry your friend hurt you - here's a motto I live by as I have had some pretty whopping liars in my past...
ReplyDelete"Forgiveness is the fragrance of the violet on the heel that crushed it"
Warm regards,
Peggy
PJ,
ReplyDeleteThis post is a great way to try and process a terrible experience. I feel for you! Just know that in helping this person for the time you did, you put some wonderful energy out into the universe and helped other people along the way (for example our mother). And when you know better, you do better. It is unfortunate when people lie, but they do. Don't let it jade you.
Love, Seester
Addiction hurts . . . everyone.
ReplyDeleteJenny pretty much summed up my feelings on the situation. Be well.
One thing I've learned about you my friend is that you're a very loving and forgiving soul. So now use that part of yourself, for yourself. She doesn't deserve either one, but you do....
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm glad you vented on here. I mean, I can't be there sitting the wrong way on the bed right now ya know. Seester is incredibly smart and comforting too. Use her:)
I'm so sorry about this. Lies suck!
ReplyDeleteDon't be too hard on yourself. I've had friends with compulsive shopping habits try to get money out of me too. Sometimes I gave in before I realised what was really happening. You were just trying to be a good friend.
Unfortunately I've realised that although there can be forgiveness, trust is not easy to rebuild. Being wary does not mean that you haven't forgiven them. As a friend of mine says, "Give people what they need - not what they want." Sometimes what they need is not to be given money.
All the best!